Curse

Potential Murder · May 09, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Well, to cut a long story short, after bashing through the Factions campaign with my Necro, I'm looking into trying out another character. Currently, I have a W/E that I use for Raptor Farming sat waiting to be put to good use. After reading the sticky and numerous other threads, I've decided to give her a [Dragon Slash]/["Save Yourselves!"] build as prescribed by numerous guides. Currently I'm running:

[Dragon Slash][Brawling Headbutt][Air of Superiority]["For Great Justice!"][Flail][Enraging Charge][Optional][Optional]

One spot is saved for ["Save Yourselves!"] and the other is free for whatever else compliments this, such as [Resurrection Signet]. With access to all existing campaigns and several heroes at my disposal from some time spent in EotN, I'm beginning to think that the efficiency of this build could be increased by equipping some heroes with support skills. Also, despite having an Elementor as my secondary, I feel that I could use some of the skills from a secondary profession to beef up the build some more.

Sorry if this is the wrong section to ask for help with Warrior builds, but what would be the most effective Heroes to bring and Secondary class. I'm guessing /P for [Enduring Harmony] but surely this could be more effective on a hero, leaving me to find better damage elsewhere.

Additional info: My sword that I am using for this does not have any element, so [Conjure Flame] and the likes would be useless without further investment.

Paul Dawg · May 09, 2009, 04:47 PM // 16:47

The Sabway heroes tend to work very well with a physical player. Of course, it'll depend on the zone and what you're trying to accomplish.

As for secondary class ... you're right that many people use /P for [enduring harmony], but it's possible to make a very good Godmode bar with just warrior and PvE-only skills. Sounds like you're going to hero-hench, right? I use this bar, and for hero-henching I think it's the best variant possible:

["for great justice!" (pve)][enraging charge][flail][dragon slash]["save yourselves!" (luxon)][brawling headbutt][pain inverter][lion's comfort]

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Originally Posted by Potential Murder

Sorry if this is the wrong section to ask for help with Warrior builds, but what would be the most effective Heroes to bring and Secondary class. I'm guessing /P for [Enduring Harmony] but surely this could be more effective on a hero, leaving me to find better damage elsewhere.

lewis91 · May 09, 2009, 04:48 PM // 16:48

[skill]whirlwind attack[/skill][skill]sun and moon slash[/skill][skill]hundred blades[/skill][skill]save yourselves[/skill][skill]for great justice[/skill][skill]tiger stance[/skill][skill]lions comfort[/skill][skill]enraging charge[/skill]

I enjoy running this build, especially when you succesfully get everything attacking you.

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The Sabway heroes tend to work very well with a physical player. Of course, it'll depend on the zone and what you're trying to accomplish.

Paul Dawg · May 09, 2009, 04:50 PM // 16:50

That's awful--[tiger stance] has to be the worst IAS there is. Have you ever tried that bar in HM?

lewis91 · May 09, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

That's awful--[tiger stance] has to be the worst IAS there is. Have you ever tried that bar in HM?

I'd use flail, but being with heroes, and them running everywhere, causing enemies to start running around, you don't want to be trolling around with 33% less speed trying to catch them. Tiger stance can give you a quick boost with no complications, unless you smack a ranger whos currently blocking.

Ah i just noticed you had enraging charge for a cancel stance. Not so bad then.

Potential Murder · May 09, 2009, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by lewis91

[skill]whirlwind attack[/skill][skill]sun and moon slash[/skill][skill]hundred blades[/skill][skill]save yourselves[/skill][skill]for great justice[/skill][skill]tiger stance[/skill][skill]lions comfort[/skill][skill]enraging charge[/skill]

I enjoy running this build, especially when you succesfully get everything attacking you.

I've never been much of a fan of things such as [Hundred Blades] outside of gimmicky farming builds and areas with high mob concentration. I'm not planning to run HM nor any crazy stuff like FoW, so a solid build for general exploration and mission running will suffice. [[Hundred Blades] seems too situational to be of solid use in 90% of the game's environment.

@ Paul Dawg: You mentioned Lion's Comfort and Pain Inverter, which I can understand for tough fights/boss heavy areas, but are there any other skills that would help for standard mobs? Also, is [Asuran Scan] ever useful with this build?

@___@ The hero builds look complex and finding 3 Necro heroes might take some time seeing as none of my Heroes are primarily Necro. Are the heroes self-managing or will some input be required to guide them?

Aside from that, thanks for the help so far =]

**Marty Silverblade** · May 09, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Potential Murder

Also, is [Asuran Scan] ever useful with this build?

Definately yes. DSlash produces incredibly high single target damage, using Asuran Scan will push your hits into the triple digit range.

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@___@ The hero builds look complex and finding 3 Necro heroes might take some time seeing as none of my Heroes are primarily Necro. Are the heroes self-managing or will some input be required to guide them?

Sabway is generally self managing; though even on a War I'd say it's inferior to Discord (theres a million threads about it; don't look at the one on PvX).

Luminarus · May 10, 2009, 01:31 AM // 01:31

I run the following heroes with my warrior, and I blow through everything, HM or NM its a breeze.

I dont know how to do this build stuff, or have it saved but ill write out the skills.

[Castigation Signet][Ray of Judgment][Smiters Boon][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Reversal of Damage][Resurrection Chant][Strength of Honor] 12+1+1 Smite, 12+1 Divine Favor 3+1 Healing Prayers. Runes arent necessary, but help.
[Castigation Signet][Ray of Judgment][Smiters Boon][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Reversal of Damage][Splinter Weapon][Death Pact Signet] 11+1+1 Smite, 10+1 Divine Favor 10 Channeling Magic
[Castigation Signet][Ray of Judgment][Waste Not Want Not][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Resurrection Chant] 12+1+1 Smite 8+1 Prot (or 9 if no runes, drop one out of insp if u dont have a prot rune) 10 (or 9) inspration magic.

If you bring a shadowstep and can get the mob placed around u correctly, u can kill a mob within like 8 seconds of aggroing. Just make sure to micro prot spirit onto you before you port, and have the heroes in healing range fast. Then RoJ goes down and wtf dead mob. Splinter for a bit more damage, and yeah. I usually run this with standard Godmode Warrior, except deaths charge instead of the paragon skill.

[Dragon Slash][Save Yourselves][Brawling Headbutt][Steelfang Slash][Deaths Charge][Enraging Charge][Flail][For Great Justice]

Hugh Manatee · May 10, 2009, 06:21 AM // 06:21

I advise making at least 1 hero a paragon secondary, and putting 8 into motivation. Inspirational speech is just too creamy, you get full adrenaline between fights, go into a battle charged, get bursts of juice in the middle of fights, it's just cool.

superraptors · May 10, 2009, 06:41 AM // 06:41

i'd be brave and use frenzy
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Paul Dawg · May 10, 2009, 09:33 AM // 09:33

That's the complication.

Or you're dealing with a foe who has cast [aegis (pve)].

Or [ward against melee (pve)].

Or [reckless haste].

Or [spirit of failure].

Or [price of failure].

Or you're blind.

Or you're hexed with [blurred vision].

There's just too much that can go wrong for [tiger stance] to be viable. Don't forget that 20-second recharge!

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Originally Posted by lewis91

Tiger stance can give you a quick boost with no complications, unless you smack a ranger whos currently blocking.

Potential Murder · May 10, 2009, 12:56 PM // 12:56

Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm currently using just an MM hero and still managing to steamroll through most of the earlier Factions missions, even areas that my Curses/MM Necro used to struggle with. A lot of the replies here are brilliant, especially:

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

[Castigation Signet][Ray of Judgment][Smiters Boon][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Reversal of Damage][Resurrection Chant][Strength of Honor] 12+1+1 Smite, 12+1 Divine Favor 3+1 Healing Prayers. Runes arent necessary, but help.
[Castigation Signet][Ray of Judgment][Smiters Boon][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Reversal of Damage][Splinter Weapon][Death Pact Signet] 11+1+1 Smite, 10+1 Divine Favor 10 Channeling Magic
[Castigation Signet][Ray of Judgment][Waste Not Want Not][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Resurrection Chant] 12+1+1 Smite 8+1 Prot (or 9 if no runes, drop one out of insp if u dont have a prot rune) 10 (or 9) inspration magic.

Though I lack a lot of the skills to pull it off right now (monk skills, despite using a few on my Necro, were never my first priority). Though the argument may as well be dead, I do agree that [Tiger Stance] is a horrible IAS skill. Afflicted Ranger + [Throw Dirt] would like to say "Hi" and happens the main reason I'm packing [Air of Superiority] until further notice.

**Marty Silverblade** · May 11, 2009, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

Don't forget that 20-second recharge!

Even without the end on failure to hit, it sucks since it's only up half the time. Really, if you're running TS when you could have run Frenzy and lived, you just thread away half of your +50% damage boost from the IAS (adrenaline aswell).

Spike Stritter · May 15, 2009, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Heres what i role with.

[Godmode; OQkSEZKT8VLOxgnimaGWXFmY]

[MM; OANEUsl38JtUVFoAiGs7UPEQUVB]

[Healer; OAhiYwh8YtzYSzJ3wccWVvYA]

And depending on if there are monks and how difficult they are i bring this.

[BHA; OgUUMmLjzcSuSPGqGVgzGOBFHCAA]

If no enemy healers pose a threat i bring

[Ele; OghkowMYoIqDZlY002FYMvJu4iB]

This is for both NM and HM.

Good luck!